Sunday, July 5, 2015

Question Time!

I have one last question before your blog is shutdown. A while back you interviewed a dancer who, at one time, was short on money. She said "I'm going to have to go to the City of Industry and suck dicks." As a strip club patron who has had his dick sucked in the City of Industry, I find that this statement bothers me. I have always gone to clubs bathed and well dressed. I treat the dancers with courtesy and respect. I tip early and often. In the VIP, I make every effort for the dancer to enjoy the experience as much as I do. I like to eat pussy. More than one dancer has whispered in my ear "You made my pussy come." Others did not have to say anything. They were wet and moaning. Yet, in spite of these efforts, there have been a few dancers who clearly did not enjoy the experience. They were going through the motions for the money. I fear that these dancers felt degraded and used, but tolerated it for the income. I feel guilty about these instances. I would appreciate your comments.

Some dancers hate what they're doing. That's just a simple fact. Some people who wait on tables at IHOP hate their jobs too.

I don't think they feel degraded by their customers so much as they feel degraded by the fact that they have to do that for a living.  They would be less happy if they went to work at a COI strip club and no one was willing to pay them for a blow job.

There are dancers who love their work.  They love men looking at them and thinking they're beautiful.  They love the exhibitionism and the show business feeling and sometimes the job can feel very freeing because some clubs let you pretty much set your own hours.

However, some girls are dancing because they couldn't get work doing what they real want to do and some girls are dancing because they or someone close to them is financially desperate and they couldn't find anything better.  I had a number of dancers who were dancing because they had a boy friend who was working on his career and not making a living and it was up to the girl to support the two of them.

There are many reasons why girls become dancers and there are many attitude about the work.  I had some dancers working for me who loved it so much, they might have done it for free.

When you get down to the sex part of it as opposed to the dancing part, I don't think a lot of dancers like the cocksucking and fucking parts but they do like the money they make. Whatever your line of work is, there are probably some aspects of it that don't thrill you but they're worth doing for the money.

Put yourself in their position for a moment.  You might enjoy a job where women paid to see you naked and to touch you and to get aroused by you.  Would you enjoy it as much if you couldn't pick and choose the women?  No matter how ugly or fat or smelly they were, you have to let them fondle you and try to kiss you and touch you all over and maybe even have sex with them.  Dancers can be a little selective at times but most of them have to submit to any guy who walks in the door with the money.  I think that's the part some of them find degrading.  It may not be having to be intimate with you but look around the club.  Isn't there some guy there you think is kind of repulsive?

Sunday, June 7, 2015

52 Tips for Strip Clubgoers

Hi Hound,

Sorry to see that you will be shutting your blog down soon.  I for one will miss it.

In December you posted a fabulous list of 50 tips for managers.  I was wondering if you had any additional tips for customers and/or dancers to compliment the list for managers.

Here are 52 tips for customers.  Some of these have appeared here before.
  1. Do a little research on a club before you go.  The internet is full of info.  Find out if it is in your price range.
  2. Find out what kind of mileage it has.  There are review sites online which can help you.  There's nothing stupider than walking into a low mileage club and expecting to get a blowjob.
  3. See if the club posts its lineups online.  It can be real disappointing to walk in and find there are only three dancers working at that hour.
  4. Don't be afraid to call the club up before you go to verify the hours it is open and to see if they will read you a lineup or have a recorded announcement that gives one.
  5. If you get the names of dancers who will be working, see if you can find out anything about them on review sites.  Maybe you hate tattoos and the reviews will tell you that all the girls working are heavily tatted up.  That might be good to know before you go.
  6. Remember that some of what you read on those review sites is bullshit,
  7. On the other hand, if three different guys say that a certain dancer is a hustler, maybe you should approach her with caution.
  8. If a club doesn't post its lineup and won't tell you over the phone who's working, that is probably an indication that the lineup isn't very impressive.
  9. Remember that dancers change and recycle names.  If you see that Jasmine is dancing at a certain club, that may not be the same girl who danced there as Jasmine two years ago or even two months ago.  Even less likely is that it is the same Jasmine who danced at another nearby club recently.
  10. Before you go to any club, take a shower and put on clean clothes.  This is not just for the dancers' benefit although that would be reason enough.  Being clean makes it more likely that they will be close to you.
  11. Think about what you're wearing.  If you want naked girls crawling over your lap, maybe you shouldn't be wearing pants with rough texture or a belt with a big, sharp buckle.
  12. Wearing shorts with no underwear is a real high school thing to do.  Do it only if you don't mind the dancers thinking you're really desperate for someone to touch your dick.
  13. And if you'll be negotiating for extras, looking desperate is a great way to make the prices go up.
  14. I have not had good luck going to a club in the first hour or two it is open or the last hour before they close.  The selection can be very poor at those times.
  15. A club that is open 12 hours a day probably has its dancers in two six-hour shifts.  If it's open more than 12 hours, it probably has a shift change around 6 PM or 7 PM.  You can sometimes get lucky being there during a shift change because you get girls from both shifts.  Sometimes though, the girls from one shift leave before most of the next shift arrives so you wind up staring at an empty stage and having no one around to get a dance with.  It can be a real gamble.
  16. Do not take your credit cards into the club.
  17. Do not take more cash than you are willing to spend.  Set a limit for yourself and stick with it no matter how horny you are and how beautiful the woman is who offers you extras.
  18. It doesn't hurt to bring a wad of singles.
  19. Never use the ATM in the club, especially if a spouse may see your credit card bill.  But you also shouldn't use it because of the fees.
  20. Some clubs will not allow you to bring in your cellphone.  If it matters to you to know what time it is, maybe you need to have a watch with you.
  21. If they let you bring in your cellphone but tell you not to use it, don't use it.
  22. When you first arrive, you may be hit on by a number of dancers.  Take your time.  Allow your eyes to get adjusted to the light.  Get comfortable in your seat.  You may want to see all the dancers on duty before you begin buying private dances.
  23. When a dancer approaches you about a dance, if you say "Maybe later," she may take that to mean you're not at all interested in her.  That's what guys say when don't like a dancer's looks.  If you might want a dance with her but not now, tell her, "Not right now but please come by later."  If you may be near the end of a shift change and you really like her, you might want to ask her what time she'll be leaving.
  24. If a dancer wants to sit and talk with you and you know you won't want to get a dance with her, don't waste her time.  Tell her nicely that you've already picked out who you'll be getting dances with and tell her that it's OK if she doesn't want to sit with you.
  25. If you're approached by a waitress who asks if you want to buy the dancer a drink, don't say yes until you know how much that drink is going to cost you.
  26. And remember it's voluntary.
  27. Also remember that in most clubs if the waitress asks you and you then turn to the dancer and ask her if she'd like something, she is required by management to say yes.
  28. If you're going somewhere after the strip club, especially if it's home to your wife or girl friend, you might want to avoid getting cozy with dancers who have body glitter, spray-on tan or lots of perfume.  It can transfer to your clothes.
  29. Tip the lady who brings you a drink.  Tip her a little more if she does some special favor for you like going to tell a dancer that you want her to come to your table.
  30. Tip the dancers on stage, especially if you're sitting at the rail.
  31. If a dancer on stage make a big impression on you and you want her to come see you after her performance to discuss a private dance, a good way to get her attention and to hit it off well is to give her a big tip on stage.
  32. Just make sure she sees who laid it down there.
  33. I think it's unclassy to try to hit the girl with the tip money when you throw it onto the stage.
  34. Remember that in some clubs, a dancer who's roaming the club is not allowed to approach a customer at the rail.
  35. If you can see the girl on stage, she may be able to see you.  If you want her to be friendly, give her a smile and some eye contact along with that tip.  Look around and you'll see that a lot of guys in strip clubs scowl and look disapproving.
  36. But remember that from the stage, she may not be able to see you if you're more than about six feet from the stage.
  37. Some dancers avoid customers who sit there not tipping.  They figure if he's cheap when it comes to tipping dancers on stage, he'll be cheap with dancers in the V.I.P. area.
  38. Do not be afraid to ask the dancers to explain the dance rates.  If you're new at a club, ask them if there are times when they offer two-for-ones or other bargains.  If you feel that makes you sound cheap, you can say, "I prefer to save money so I have more to tip."
  39. If you think you might like a private dance with a dancer, make sure you're clear on the price before you go back.  Ask her to repeat it if you're not sure.
  40. In a private dance, respect her right to set boundaries as to where you can touch.  It doesn't hurt to ask before you touch.
  41. If you're paying per dance, count the dances yourself out loud or ask her to.
  42. If you're in a known high mileage club, it's probably okay to negotiate for extra services before you agree to any sort of private dance.  If you're not sure, get one private dance, even if it's the lowest grade they have, and discuss the extras there.
  43. Make sure you're both clear on what's going to happen.  "I'll take good care of you" is not a promise to screw.
  44. When you arrive at a price, make sure you're clear on whether the club's fee for the room is extra and whether she's expecting an additional tip above and beyond the price you agreed upon.
  45. If you're going to engage in activity that might require one, bring a couple of condoms with you.  Your brand may be preferable to whatever the dancer may have.  If you're expecting oral sex with a condom on, it should be unlubricated.
  46. Remember that every dancer has the right to decide what she will do and what she won't do.  Just as when you're on a real date, no means no.
  47. Remember also that every dancer who does extras has the right to set her own price and don't hesitate to say no if it's too steep.  Whatever your job is, there's a price that you won't work for.
  48. Don't get mad at her if she won't do what you want.  You may be in a club where if she sucks your dick, she loses her job.  You probably aren't paying her enough for that.
  49. Remember that the rules as to what's allowed in the club may change from week to week due to legal hassles or which assistant manager is on duty.
  50. Also remember that just because one dancer in a club puts out, that doesn't mean they all do or even that that one dancer might not when she isn't desperate to make rent next week.
  51. Tip after a private dance for the same reason that you tip after a meal in a restaurant.
  52. Lastly, remember that if you act like an asshole, you'll probably be treated like one.

Saturday, May 9, 2015

Question of the Week

Need your advice on the following.

I have been seeing one dancer (dancer #1) exclusively for last few months.   I really like her, she has over the last few months been willing to do more.   We have met outside a few times but not for sex.   However, the meetings have led to more mileage in the club.  However, being in low/mid contact area that is not much compared to what I hear from others.

I asked her (#1) the other night about meeting her at her house, and she didn't say no.  However, she does tend to brush me off often, so I don't know if she is just playing me, or being careful.

The other night, I spent a lot of money on #1 (two VIP rooms, that was stupid, but that is another issue).  Another Dancer (dancer #2, which I have gotten dances from, but before I went exclusive with #1), must have noticed and asked me why I am not getting dances from her.   I told her that I was actually getting sick of the club and wasn't coming back for anyone. After a little back and forth, she ended up offered me private dances at her place that "can lead to more".

I know that the two know each other, and if I get dances from #2, #1 will know.  Here is the question, I would much rather get the private dances (OTC) from #1.   How to best manage this?  I don't want to lose my chance with #2, but really want the OTC with #1.  If #1 finds out about the private dances, do you think she will be less likely or more likely to do the same?

I am quite older than both, so none really has any type of interest in me.  However, #1 is of the mind set that she actually may need me to be "loyal" before she does extras.

Any advice?

The first thing I would remember is that #1 may never agree to private dances at her place.  She simply may not do that kind of thing.  She might not want to tell you that because she's afraid she'd lose you as a good customer but she may simply not be open to that.

The second thing I would remember is that strip clubs are not about loyalty.  A dancer who dances with one customer dances with another.  A dancer who has sex with one customer has sex with another.  #1 may not want to cut in on #2's business but I doubt she would not have OTC with you because of that.  She might though use that as a reason to not have OTC with you if she didn't want to in the first place.

If I were you, I'd sit down with #1 and tell her "I like you a lot but it's getting frustrating to keep our relationship at its current level.  If you don't want to take it to another level, I'll understand.  If you do, please tell me now".  She will understand that she may lose you as a customer and she may or may not agree to what you want.  If she doesn't, have a good time with #2.

You need to understand that most women have limits as to what they will and will not do.  She simply may not be available for what you want and if that's so, it's time to get that dream out of your head.

Wednesday, April 15, 2015

From the Strip Club Hound

I  haven't posted lately partly because I've been busy and partly because my enthusiasm for this blog has gone way down.  I've been doing it for four and a half years and its readership has dwindled and my pleas to plug it on other websites have gone largely unanswered.  I'm not even getting many questions.

No sour grapes.  I've enjoyed writing it and I've gotten a few heartfelt messages from readers who really appreciate honest advice and insight into strip clubs.  I also have received a few from people who I think are mad that I burst their bubbles and gave them reality instead of fantasy.

My current plan is to close this blog down in August when it reaches its fifth anniversary.  I am not asking you to plug it on other sites because I've learned that's a waste of time.  However, if you have questions, ask them now.

I'll be out of town for the next ten days.  Expect more posts after that.

Monday, March 23, 2015

Some Strip Club Managers Are Idiots 3

Went to what used to be my favorite club the other night. This kind of crap is why it's no longer my favorite club.

I went in and scoped out all the girls. I tip well on stage but save most of my money for one big lap dance before I go. That's my style. I watch all the girls, decide on one and then blow a big wad on a long private session with that one girl and I tip her well.

I made my selection early on. Her name was Nikki. When she came by to ask me for a dance, I told her that if she came back in a half-hour, I would be ready for her. I didn't tell her that with tip, I would probably be spending at least $400 on our session but I made it clear I wasn't talking about one dance.

Twenty minutes later, she came by in her street clothes. She said she was sorry but the boss had just told her to get dressed and go home because she wasn't selling enough dances that evening. Then she left.

I was so bummed, I didn't go to my second choice. I went home. What the f happened here?

You went to a strip club run by an idiot.

Saturday, March 21, 2015

Some Strip Club Managers Are Idiots 2

My favorite dancer just quit the club where she's worked for a year.  I wish I could send you a photo of her because she is beautiful in a Playboy way with a perfect natural body and very large real breasts.  She is exactly what you want a girl who works in a strip club to be like and the other girls at the club told me she is the top earner at the club.

The one complaint I have about her is that it is sometimes very difficult to get a dance with her.  One time, I asked her as she walked by and she told me she was very sorry but she had two customers ahead of me who had been waiting and it might take an hour for them.  She felt so bad about this that she gave me her text number and after that when I went in, I would text her first and make an appointment for a certain time.

She texted me and all her customers recently that she has left the club.  I went in anyway and one of the other girls told me that the club has gone crazy with docking the girls' pay for the silliest shit.  The girl who told me this says that they charged her $100 because they said she had messed up the dressing room.  She said she didn't so anything and she asked them to show her on the tape they have of where she was messing up the dressing room.  They refused to show her the tape and they fined her anyway.

This girl says he would leave if there was another club nearby but there is not.  My ATF has left and decided to go to Las Vegas for a few months and make her money there.  I'll bet she will clean up but I am sad that she has left the club near me.  The girl there told me it was because of the silly fines for not getting on stage fast enough or being three minutes late.  Because of those, they lost a girl who sold more lap dances than any other girl in the place.  Why do they do these things?

You went to a strip club run by an idiot.

Saturday, March 14, 2015

Some Strip Club Managers Are Idiots 1

I want to tell you about what happened to me a few nights ago.  I came into some money recently so I decided to go to my favorite strip club and do it right.  Usually when I have been there, I don't have enough money to tip the girls properly and to do as many lap dances as I might like.  I also sometimes get there and am rushed to make a decision because it's getting late and they're closing and I'm afraid that if I don't pick a certain dancer now, she may go home or be tied up with another customer until closing time.

Nude dances here are $40 each and I wanted to get at least three sets of three so that was $360.  I expected to tip those three girls at least $40 each and I expected to throw around another $100 on stage tips so I brought along enough money for all that.  I arrived early enough to spend at least 3 hours there.

There were between 12 and 18 dancers working.  I decided I would sit and watch and tip until I had seen every one on stage.  I would take my time selecting the 3 girls I would take back for lap dances.

I was there about an hour and I was tipping $2-$5 for each girl who got up on stage.  During this time, many of the girls in the club approached me about private dances but I told all of them, "Maybe later" because I was determined to see all of them before deciding and taking my time.

I had almost seen all of them when the manager came up to me.  He looked real angry and I couldn't imagine what I had done.  He said, "Hey, buy some lap dances or get the fuck out of here!"

I was so startled and insulted that I got up and left with most of the money I came in to spend.  I didn't even spend all of the $100 I expected to spend on stage tips.  I don't think I will ever go back to that club.

What did I do wrong here?

You went to a strip club run by an idiot.

Monday, March 9, 2015

Dating Dancers

There's a debate raging on BonedIn about whether it's possible or even desirable to have a girl friend relationship with a dancer.  I know you've written about this before but what are your current thoughts about this?

Yes, it is possible to have a girl friend relationship with a dancer.  I currently have one with an ex-dancer.  I have had them with girls who were then working as dancers.

The relationships were no different from relationships I've had with women who would never think of dancing nude or topless in a public place.  Some of the relationships worked out and some didn't.

I read over some of the BonedIn discussion.  The problem there is that some of those guys are looking for whores and some of them are looking for girl friends.  If you're looking for one, it's hard to discuss matters with someone looking for the other.

There are whores in strip clubs.  There are clubs that welcome them and encourage them and look the other way when they give blow jobs.  There are also dancers who don't do that kind of thing and don't work in clubs where they could do that kind of thing.

Recently, I spoke with a dancer who works in a low mileage club where the management doesn't allow sex.  She said there's been an increase lately in the number of customers who get into the lap dance booth with them, whip out their dicks and expect to be blown.  She points out how stupid and rude that is.

First of all, it's a club where that kind of thing is not allowed.  They could find that out in five minutes on the internet using Google.

Secondly, even in the clubs where that kind of thing is allowed, no girl is going to suck your dick in a $20 or $30 lap dance.

She says she tells them to put it away immediately or she'll have to call the manager.

Sometimes, they ask how much for a blow job?  The honest truth she says is that she would have to charge enough to live on for a few weeks until she can find another club to work at because she will get fired from this one.

Some guys are so fucking stupid they don't understand this.

If you want to find whores in strip clubs, it's not difficult.  They just may not be in the club that's closest to you.

Understand what you want and where to get it.  Understand that dancers all have different rules and so do clubs.  You might as well respect that because there's not a damn thing you can do to change it.

I believe meeting dancers to date is much more common in low mileage clubs.  The dancers view most of their customers a different way.

Yes, dancers do date customers and not for money.  Yes, normal dating does occur and I have known it to lead to living together and even marriage and children.  Most people do get married and the fact that a woman currently works as a dancer doesn't mean that she has ruled that out.  Even if she is gay, she may want to have a partner in life or even just date and go places with someone she likes.

I am not saying you will meet a dancer in a low mileage club and hit it off and begin going out.  There is no guarantee of that no matter where you meet women.  I am just saying that it does happen.

Saturday, February 21, 2015

Bargaining for Extras!

In some strip clubs I go to, there are fixed prices for the services and there are no extras so I always know what to pay.  I pay the fixed price for the private dance and then I tip the dancer after if I enjoyed the dance.

I have more problems with the clubs where you have to negotiate for extra services.  I hate the haggling and I hate it when at the end, the dancer demands a tip of a certain amount.  What do you suggest?

Simple.  First thing, do not take your credit cards or ATM card into the club.  Leave them in the car or at home.

Second, decide in advance what you're willing to spend and what you want for it.  I am going to assume that if you're negotiating for extras, you're negotiating for a hand job or a blow job or full service sex and that after you get what you want, you're not going to stick around for other dances.

Find out what the club charges for the room you're going to want.  Let's say it's $40 a dance with a three-dance minimum.  Let's say you're reasonably confident that you can achieve what you want in those three dances so you'll be spending at least $120.

What will the girl expect?  That depends on the girl and the club.  Every dancer has the right to set her own price and some set it high because they'd rather not do whatever you want than do it for bad money.  Do not get mad at her for this.  You have your own price for doing whatever you do for a living.

Stick with your price.  Do not let a moment of horniness tempt you into a purchase you will later wish you had not made.  You may have a great moment of pleasure from her but you don't want to look back on it later and feel you were an idiot to pay so much for it.  That can ruin a nice memory.

You may have to reject a few girls.  You may have to say no.  That's how negotiation works.

Let's say you decide you can be comfortable spending $200.  Remember that that doesn't mean the club gets $120 and the girl gets $80.  She gets part of the $120.

Put $220 in your wallet.  Keep the rest in another pocket.

Let's say a girl you like says she'll do what you want for a $150 tip.  That would make $270 plus she might hit you up for an additional tip afterwards.

You say, "Gee, I'd love to but I only have $220 left and I need to have $20 for gas to get home".  You can even open your wallet and show her that you only have $220.

At this point, she may say yes or no.  She may offer you a reduced service for the money.  If she offers you a reduced service, say no.  Say "I had my heart set on what we discussed.  If you don't want to do it for that, I'll understand".

She may say yes.  She may say no.  If she says no, tell her you're sorry and then look for another girl.  If you ever bought a car, you may have turned down many offers for the same reason.

If she says yes, remind her that you can't give her your gas money as a tip.  If she still asks you for a tip after, say "If I had more on me, I'd give it to you but I'm not going to push my car home".  My experience has been that they don't ask because they figure you don't have it.

I haven't done one of these negotiations in a while but when I did, this always worked.  If the girl sees you have $220 in your wallet, she may suspect you have more money on you somewhere but she'll figure it's money she can't get.  One time, a dancer said "I'll bet you have more money hidden on you" and I told her "You can search me if you like but you're going to have to give me a tip if you do".

Most of the time, I would be getting a few warmup dances from different girls and then I'd spend my fixed amount on the last dancer who I would take to the VIP booth.  In this case, I would have more than my fixed amount in my wallet when I went in and I would pay for the warmup dances out of it.  Before I got serious about arranging for my final dance, I would go to the men's room and rearrange my money.

None of this works of course if you don't have the will power to say no.

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

From the Strip Club Hound

I am not dead.  I have just been away from the site for a month because of personal matters mostly relating to the health of a family member.

I am also having trouble thinking of things to write here.  I haven't been to any strip clubs in a while.  Part of that is because of those personal matters and part of it is because my lady friend who used to be a dancer puts on pretty good shows at home.

If you'd like to see more posts here, it would help if you sent in questions or you could post them as comments on this message.  I also would appreciate it if those of you who like this site would mention it on other sites and drive some traffic this way.  Thank you.